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 Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper

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Is Kosminski Jack the Ripper?
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PostSubject: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:29 pm

In assessing why 'Kosminski' was suspected and what the source of that suspicion was probably means a return to basics. And the 'basics' here are provided by Macnaghten and Anderson. As far as the name 'Kosminski' is concerned we have only Macnaghten's mention of it (Swanson later confirms Anderson's suspect as 'Kosminski'). The two versions of Macnaghten, Aberconway and official, vary in content. The strongest case appears to be made in the Aberconway version -

1. He was insane. (This was proven)

2. He had a great hatred of women.('specially of the prostitute class' added in the official version)

3. He had strong homicidal tendencies. (Perhaps some evidence for this was lost?)

4. He strongly resembled the individual seen by the City P.C. near Mitre Square. (With the qualifier - "No one ever saw the Whitechapel murderer unless possibly it was the City P.C. who was a beat near Mitre Square and no proof could in any way ever be brought against anyone.").

5. He was taken with difficulty and was instantly positively identified at the seaside home by a witness (possibly Lawende or Schwartz) who refused to testify on learning that Kosminski was a fellow Jew, and that it was wrong to contribute to his hanging. Now, the flaw in this is that the identification happened years after the killings finished, so would the witness have still remembered the face of the killer? Aslo, there are issues with Kosminski still being open to the public, so if he is Jack the Ripper, either his mental condition totally collapsed or his family played a crutial role in constraining him before the 24 hour surveilance was put in place.

The official version included points 1 to 3 above but dropped point more whilst adding "There were many circs. connected with this man which made him a strong 'suspect'.



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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:59 pm

Judging by the points you made, He sounds like JtR to me!
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:28 pm

Adding to that (And I have plenty to speculate on which makes this man an even stronger candidate for being Jack the Ripper), we must take into persepective the fact that he strongly fitted both the psychological and physical profile of the killer, including height, hair colour, and although they claim him to be a few years older than Kosminski was, the statement 'full face' given by Schwartz (the only man to have got a real good glimpse of the killer) suggests that he was slightly chubby, which may have been brought on by drink. This could make him look slightly older than he really was, and also, is it really thta easy to guess age accurately? I know I have problems! Many of the witness statements also claimed that he was a foreigner with an accent, which Kosminski would have had.

Here is the only known picture of Kosminski. It appears to be a sketch, so may not be 100% accurate, and there is no original source given to this so I have no idea where it was from, however he resembles quite strongly, the official artist's profile of the killer produced from witness statements.


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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:42 pm

The picture on the right, is that an actual photo of him?
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:56 pm

No, the picture on the right is the artist's profile - it's digital. The one on the left is our Kosminski! I will resist the urge to say he's kinda cute... for the sanity of others... Bearing in mind, I can recall one of the witness statemens saying that his moustache was slightly curled at the ends, as is the case with Kosminski, which leads me to believe further.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:08 pm

Were the other supects moustaches curled? If they have a moustache.
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:36 pm

You know, not many of the suspects matched the description at all! Aaron as you can see, strikes startling resemblance to the profile created over 100 years later. But most of the other suspects did have a moustache, just either very large or were too tall.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:42 pm

No doubt it's Aaron then!
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:55 pm

That's what I'm thinking, however there are lots of arguments against him being Jack, such as his mental health, and how the asylum workers wrote him down as being negative to 'danger to others.' But in assessing this, many serial killers are model inmates, such as Peter Sutcliff, the Yorkshire Ripper, and do you think he would have had access to weapons in an asylum, or even prostitutes? There is one recorded incidence that states he went at one of the workers with a chair, and this is the only known account of him being violent. There are 16 years of his asylum records missing however, so we have no idea what went on there. Also, he threatened the life of his sister with a knife which is was what evidently gave his family enough evidence to get him taken in to the asylum.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:00 pm

Well, he must've made himself seem that he's not a danger to others so he's not suspected to have done anything wrong. Cause people can seem like they wont do anything wrong but that doesn't mean they wont.
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:04 pm

I have an explaination for it on the other kosminski thread I have. It should explain why the killings stopped and how he became so docile and dopey later on.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:12 pm

Ok, I'll go check it out right now.
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:26 pm

It is quite interesting to find out various aspects of his character. There are some details such as compulsive masurbation, which in the case of serial killers is an extremely common trait, so if we look deeper into his psychological profile, there are many areas that spark a lot of attention amongst Ripperologists and criminologists to suggest that in all likelihood, he had the potentual to become a serail killer.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:31 pm

Wow, I certainly am learning a lot about JtR from this site. ^^ It is quite interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:35 pm

Of course, this is only the surface stuff on kosminski. This section is only meant to be the breif part with the poll, and I shall get round to discussing many different aspects of him. Also, I will need to get round to posting some stuff on all the rest of the discussion points, and then you shall really find out more.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:42 pm

Yes, you will have to post different things on the other suspects. I'm getting interested. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:55 pm

And the case of Jack the Ripper strikes again... I have a whole dictionary of knowlede in there, and I specialise in kosminski, however I know a fair deal about the other suspects as well. The reason why I am most interested in this guy, however, is because it appears that he is the killer. I know that a lot of people reject Kosmisnki because they are unwilling to picture him as a an insane, fairly unclean Jewish immigrant when the image ingrained in society is the top-hatted doctor, and compare that to poor Aaron, he seems to be a 'lame' outcome. I don't believe we'll ever be able to prove who the ripper was, but I think we can come close to some good guesses.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:22 pm

With a time machine we could know for sure. XD
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:32 pm

Too bad they haven't invented one, and if they have, we would have known as they're already in out past. Although there have been some interesting cases of human bones and toold found in rock the age of the dinosaurs...

I seriously hope they find some new evidence supporting Aaron, although I doubt it. A lot of the files were lost when the place was blitzed in the second world war and god knows how many sheets of evidence people have taken from the files as souvenirs.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:50 pm

Ya, we may never know. But I sure hope we find out. I bet it's Aaron.
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:58 pm

I bet it's Aaron too. I've been doing a lot of research, and at first I do admit, that I was caught in the trap where I was almost a little disappointed, since he was only advertised as an insane Polish Jew who ate bread from the gutter. I almost dismissed him, till I found out more of the truth behind Aaron. I find him adorable now, and an extremely interesting person. He's burried in East Ham cemetry in London, and I will go to visit the grave and put flowers down for him. I can upload the photographs.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:08 pm

That's horrible for them to advertise him as that! Yes, please upload pics! I wonder if anybody has ever done that for him before.
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:15 pm

Yeah, once I go up there I'll show you the photos... so tempted to kiss the grave stone and the grass and... *Giggles*

Well, the statement came from David Cohen, who was giving information about him to the Asylum workers. He said that he was filthy and degraded him considerably. I am sure a lot of the words about him were hostile as it seems so in context, so I actually feel really sorry for him that those words have stuck as the main description that people recognise.

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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:28 pm

An asylum doesn't seem like that great of a place to stay. It's awful that he had to endure that.
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PostSubject: Re: Aaron Kosminski's candidacy for Jack the Ripper   Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:44 pm

No, to be honest, I don;t think it was great staying there. They were encouraged to work, but I know Aaron refused to do anything with himelf. They finally got him to have his weekly bath, and they obviously got him to eat since he lived till the age of 54, but I don't think he ate much. He got extremebly thin, and I can imagine he was just skin and bones when he died. So the statement made by the witness that he had a full face (slightly chubby) is compateble I believe, if he did not eat in the asylum.

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